I was clearing out old emails, and ran across a thread on Kenneth Pinyan, the Boeing Engineer who was video-recorded being killed by a horse. (ed. Please read the comments before clicking the link)It's not for the squeamish -- and perhaps only for the totally squeamless. Are you back? Do you remember I said it wasn't for the squeamish?
Mr. Pinyan, the linked story relates, inspired an anti-bestiality law. This is probably because it would be hard to hire regulators (is it a job you'd want?) and it's the Washington State legislature's job to regulate things that can kill people.
But, I'm now thinking about bestiality. And I don't know that it's wrong. I'm sort of against pets, as it seems cruel to keep this degraded animal forms around us to amuse us and reassure us that it's OK nobody likes us. I'm for breeding animals for tasks, but I think it's just indulgent to breed animals as emotional crutches or ornamentation.
However, once we allow that, why not breed animals to have sex with us? Or even allow animals bred for other uses to be dual-purpose? I'm not suggesting a specific business here, I just miss what I suspect is an obvious argument against bestiality.
Anyone?
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I suspect most laws are based merely on gut reactions, rather than any logical premise. In my nihilistic conception of reality there's no justification for any law. But they intuitively seem like a good idea nonetheless.
There are laws against bestiality for the same reasons we have laws against animal cruelty.
Why should society allow people to take sexual advantage of captive animals? We don't let them do other, more straightforward forms of animal torture -- what the heck do you think's going through some sheep's mind when Montana Jack is buggering him or her?
Lord.
I'm really, really sorry I watched that video. God, scratch my eyeballs out now! That man committed suicide as far as I'm concerned and got what he deserved.
Thanks for coming by the blog, Henry. Without any data, I think the most common kind of bestiality are household pets trained to lick and rub up against their owners in various ways. And I suspect these are interactions the animals start to seeks out. As far as sheep buggering in particular, I have no idea what goes through the sheep's mind. However, I've no reason to believe it's any more enjoyable to have sex with a ram. At least Montana Jack doesn't have hooves. My guess would be that the horse enjoyed killing Mr. Pinyan less than standing and doing nothing, but more than walking down a corridor with scary shadows.
But, whether a specific act of bestiality is cruel really seems like a separate issue. Animals serving any function can be treated cruelly -- I don't think bestiality has any special claim in this regard. I'm totally blowing smoke, but I would expect that any data collected around cruelty and bestiality would be hopelessly biased one way or another.
And, anon, I agree that this was an unregulated pastime with obvious mortal risk. And, as I say, I don't think sex with horses would be a particularly easy thing to regulate. Mr. Pinyan's a hard guy to pity, but I don't think of him as a suicide.
The video is both erotic and disturbing at the same time.
What makes a person think that their colon can accommodate a thirty inch erect equine penis?!
rionn & Henry J....I really don't think that the horse in the video was being taken advantage of or abused. If the positions were reversed then yes, it would have been. The guy receiving the horse was the one abusing HIMSELF.
Think about where that horse's hard-on must have gone in that mans body. Do the geometry!
If you haven't watched the video.....don't....it's like seeing a car wreck. It scars your mind. I must confess, as I said before, it is erotic but also disturbing.
To be honest this video is extremley disturbing i kind of wish i had never watched it. I truely think that someone has got to be sick minded to even think of having sex with an animal. He killed himself as i dont know why he though his body could take the length and width of that horse. Truely sick.
why did you post that video is it real......who ever heard of a horse giving another horse a blow job I really dont uderstand the world
I think we can all agree that getting a blow job from a horse would be a bad idea.
I didn't post the video! I linked to the video to concretize the practice of bestiality. But, yes, there are excellent arguments against watching it, mostly involving its mind-scarring quality.
I'll try to strengthen the warning in the post. Thanks for your comments everyone!
I'm not REALLY sure what I was expecting by clicking on that link...maybe instead of saying that it's not for the squeamish you should say, "not for ANYONE". Is that video even legal to be online since bestiality is now illegal in the state where this incident happened?
OK. I tried to strengthen the warning again.
Ouch!!!!!! What do you think the man was thinking right after the horse was done? OUCH! That hurt, Hey buddy can you take me to the hospital? And how do you explain that to the emergency room doctor? "Let me understand this, You did WHAT? With a horse?" Reading the story, he didn't die until he got to the emergency room. And he worked for Boeing. Sounds like he used to be a smart person. I guess he had an episode of DUHness.
Kenneth Pinya is a homo who died for his stupidity. He went against good sense and morality and died for it.
Its funny to me how he seeked gratification and his death, also poor horse, if that homo had aids he could have passed it to the animal.
ummm ya that was really discusting and very wrong...
and the horse cummed so fast YUCK!
did you want the horse to last a while? and was that the video where he was killed? or lead to his death?
My buddies and I have been curious, was that horse killing that guy? I mean did he even get a trial?
Did they put the horse down?
Please do research the disposition of the horse and post it here. But, I don't imagine anything at all has happened to the beast. It's just had this one use criminalized -- it can still pull whatever horses pull, and turn straw into useful horse manure.
I guess it's possible that the horse, used to a steady diet of anal penetration with Boeing engineers, was shot and killed trying to get to Everett. But, I very much doubt it.
"What makes a person think that their colon can accommodate a thirty inch erect equine penis?!"
Because it did. If you do a little digging; this video does not portray the accident in question. This is a video he himself released of getting buggered by a horse.
My guess is he worked his way up to bigger horses until the fatal accident.
I can't for the life of me figure out how anyone could possibly enjoy _that_ enough to want to do it all over again, but there you go.
"...also poor horse, if that homo had aids he could have passed it to the animal."
Human Immunodefficiency Virus.
Wow,
I am truly sorry I clicked on that link & watched that video...that is truly one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen.
Just absolutely disgusting on every level.
I feel not a shred of empathy or compassion for that idiot, and he completely got what he deserved...good riddance.
I'm absolutely & completely sure the world will continue to exist just fine & dandy without him, and his ridiculous little 'home videos'.
I also read somewhere that he has a son...wow.
I'm sure he's terribly proud of his papa.
Can you just imagine the horrible legacy & incredible shame he has brought to his family over this? unreal.
It just really bums me out to discover how truly depraved & utterly pathetic some people are behind closed doors....just having the mindset to pursue acting on whatever base & extreme sexual deviancy that enters their little minds, because they can, and world watch out...they have camcorders (it's always so important for them to record the moment & share with friends!)
I'm sure his family are just immensely proud of the Boeing engineers' completely selfless sacrifices behind the woodshed with his favorite hoofed mammal.
ugh.
To the OP -
"I just miss what I suspect is an obvious argument against bestiality"
Really? That's pretty sad. You can't figure out what's so wrong with having sex with a creature that's out of your own species?
Honestly?
If you really need some anonymous person online to explain it to you, then I suggest you maybe just take a long hard look in the mirror, and try to figure out exactly where your moral compass is centered in your life & logic.
If you absolutely can't differentiate between a family pet and an object of sexual gratification, then you just really need to educate yourself.
But then again, there are guys that just stick their dicks in anything with a detectable heartbeat doesn't matter to them if it has a snout, fur or tail, or hatched from an egg , and it certainly doesn't matter to them if it's the same species or not.
It's just a another warm hole to some loser schmuck trying to get off.
Animals are easy targets because they very well can't file a police report & complain about it can they?
Thanks for coming by the blog, anonymous person online. Are you saying that it's wrong to have sex with things that aren't people? Is it wrong to have non-procreative sex? Is it okeh to stimulate yourself with inanimate objects?
Clearly, yeah, I don't get it. The practice of bestiality is a little viscerally offputting, but so is blue cheese -- that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it, just that you're programmed to think that there is (or that you drunkenly gorged on it one very unfortunate night.)
Domesticate animals don't really choose to do the tasks we set them, but it doesn't mean they don't enjoy them in the moment. This Pinyan incident in particular is the exact opposite of sheep buggering.
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